I have nothing to do with Trump, Lula in Brazil told the BBC.

Brazil’s Ruizhio Lula da Silva said in an exclusive interview with US President Donald Trump in an exclusive interview.

Lula often blamed Trump, but this is the most obvious signal, but he is a sign that he and his American communication have now been broken.

Although the United States has a trade surplus with Brazil, Donald Trump has a 50%tariff on Brazilian products in July, quoting a trial of Coup’s coup for Brazil’s right -wing President Jair Bolsonaro.

Rula explained that tariffs were “prominent political,” and as a result, consumers said that the price of Brazilian products would face higher prices.

Trump’s tariffs hit Brazil exports to the United States, such as coffee and beef. Rula said Rula would be more expensive.

The two leaders have never spoken directly. Lula said, “I never tried the phone because I didn’t want to talk when I did not try to form a home or a relationship.”

Trump said before Lula, “I can call him at any time.” But Rula insisted that the members of the Trump administration said, “I don’t want to say.”

He told the BBC that he learned about the US tariffs of the Brazilian newspaper.

He mentioned Trump, saying, “We did not communicate in a civilized manner. He just published a social media on the portal.”

When he asked how he would describe his relationship with the United States, he simply said, “There is no relationship.”

Lula said the exception was the poor relationship with the US leader. He said he listed his relationship with former US President, British Prime Minister, EU, China, Ukraine, Venezuela and “All countries in the world.”

Brazilian attended the World War II in Russia this year and did not break his relationship with Putin. I asked a person who had a better relationship with Trump and Putin.

“When I was elected with Trump for the first time, I was not a president, so I had nothing to do with Trump.

He also said that when he passed Trump at the UN General Assembly next week, he said, “I will welcome him because I am a civilized citizen.”

The BBC approached the White House for criticism of Lula’s criticism of Trump, but was not yet answered at the time of publication.

He also talked about his predecessor in the office that was convicted last week.

The majority of the 4-1 judges against the Brazilian Supreme Court were convicted of a former president who planned a coup after losing his election to Lula and sentenced to imprisonment in 27.

Lula said on the BBC, Bolsonaro and his conspirators said, “I hurt my country, tried a coup and drew my death.”

Lula said that lawyers in Volsonaro will lodge Lodge. Lula said, “I was guilty now,” he hoped to continue to “prescribe his defense.”

He also accused Trump’s “invention” by accusing Bolsonaro’s persecution and that the US leader said that it was a lack of democracy in Brazil.

Lula also told the BBC that Trump would have been trial if the parliamentary riots were in Brazil, not the United States on January 6.

In a wide range of BBC interviews, he also advocated the UN reform.

He argued that five countries, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, have the authority to make a decision to make a decision, and this has been a favorable balance to those who have won World War II except for billions of people, such as Brazil, Germany, India, Japan, and African countries.

As a result, the United Nations said, “There is no power to solve the conflict,” five permanent members made a “unilateral” decision on going to war.

He defended his continued alliance with Russia and China -the two countries, with unfair elections and human rights abuse, demanded more “democratic” United Nations.

Upgraded to Russia’s continuous purchase of Russian oil purchases in Russia, he was one of the first countries to criticize Russia’s occupation of Ukraine while fighting in Ukraine, and “Brazil does not raise funds to Russia, and we have to buy oil in Russia, so Russia, India, the United Kingdom or the United States is oil in Russia, India or the United States. He said he had to buy oil in Russia because he had to buy.

He said that if the United Nations was “functional,” the Ukrainian war or the war was described as “massacre, not war,”.

The BBC also asked President Lula about the COP30 Summit in November. Brazil hosts world leaders in Amazon City Bellim.

In Korea, President Brazil faced criticism of the support for the exploration drilling for oil near the Amazon River entrance.

Brazilian petroleum company Petrobas and other companies have purchased exploration blocks and are waiting for licenses.

His environmental minister Marina Silva strongly opposed the plan, and some conservative groups are concerned that oil leakage can be dangerous in the waters close to Amazon.

President Lula claimed that Brazil was strictly following the law, and if there was a petroleum leak, “Brazil would be responsible, responsible and handled the problem.”

He supported a world without fossil fuels, but he added, “This moment hasn’t come yet.”

“I want to know a country that can prepare for energy conversion and give up fossil fuel.” But this problem has been proven to be controversial with left -wing voters.

Lula, 79, said he had not yet decided whether he would run for re -election in the 2026 presidential election.

He said he would decide whether his health and party would be politically appropriate and whether he could win.

Lula slipped in a recent poll, but it was also improved after Trump imposed tariffs on Brazil.

He concluded that his legacy included a decrease in hunger, a decrease in unemployment, and an increase in income in the working class.